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. the brothers were ethnically chechen and they spend some of their childhood there. dramatic new pictures from boston as police of a surrounded and exchanged fire with the suspect. [gunshots] >> just over an hour after police lifted the stay at home order, the sound of gunfire was heard once again in watertown. >> are two more banks read their. >> it came an hour after a tipoff from a local resident. >> and men came out of his house after being inside all day, abiding by our request to stay inside. he walked outside and saw blood on a boat in the backyard. he opened the tarp on top of the boat and looked in and saw the men covered in blood. >> a helicopter confirmed dead man was hiding their and heavily armed forces surrounded the house. the standoff began. he may have been armed or carrying explosives. after two hours and 41 minutes, police moved in and took into custody. the 19-year-old was bleeding and taken to hospital in serious condition before hand, investors and now they had no idea where the suspect was fighting. >> it was a very long, arduous day. you had to worry every moment that y
by nbc news terrorism analyst, roger cressey. roger, tell us for a moment, if you can, an chechen terrorism. because as i understand it, historically chechen terrorism has been much more related to national boundaries and geography as opposed to any kind of hatred for the united states. >> martin, that's exactly right. and i'm hesitant to even call this chechen terrorism yet. what i will call it is the act of two individuals in an act of terrorism. we simply don't know whether or not there are any real direct links. but in chechnya you've had two phases. a separatist movement since the end of the soviet union that over time has morphed into an islamist movement. in the past 15 years, elements of al qaeda have fought there. bin laden when he was still alive pledged public support to the islamists fighting there. and we saw even pre-9/11, an amalgamation of chechen fighters into al qaeda camps, et cetera. it doesn't mean there were broad alliances or strong cooperation between both forces. it just means there was this interaction. so there -- if, in fact, there are direct links back
attention to the family's chechen origins. >> why is chechen important? i think the american people need to understand this. the chechen rebels are some of the fiercest jihadist warriors out there. they're angry with russia, but they've also made an alliance with al qaeda. you have to understand they've worked with al qaeda in pakistan, afghanistan, one of my constituent's sons was killed in iraq by nine chechen rebels, so they're in the fight. >> the younger brother, dzhokhar's russian social media page listed several chechen causes. and when he was assigned by his high school english teacher to write an essay about something that he felt passionate about, he chose the troubled land of his ancestors, chechnya. as evidence of the continued and deep fracture between the two countries, in 2011, the fbi questioned tamerlan tsarnaev after russia expressed concerns about his radicalization, but yesterday the dagestan affiliate denied having any connection to the brothers. in a statement the group announced it was not fighting against the united states of america. we are at war with russia, wh
-radicalized terrorists. >>> next, we'll take you halfway around the world to chechnya to delve into the chechen connection. how does someone get radicalized? i'll ask the director of a terrific and timely new movie "the reluctant fundamentalist." and we'll talk to google's executive chairman eric schmidt about technology and terrorism, as well as other things. >>> finally, why the world can't get enough of ben franklin. i'll explain. but, first, here's my take. as we learn more about the brothers tsarnaev, we want to ask larger questions about radical islam, muslim communities, and the breakdown of assimilation. what do they tell us about all this? the most accurate answer might turn out to be, not much. larger phenomenon might be at work. but these two young men may not reflect an intensification of these trends. it seems they are two alienated young men who turned toward hate and allegedly to murder. that was the point the brother's uncle made when he pointedly called his nephews losers. >> these losers. >> he was arguing against the notion that thank you the boys represented a larger communi
at pennsylvania state university. professor bloom specializing in the study of chechen terrorism. thank you for joining us, professor. what can you tell us in terms of the mentality of perhaps these two individuals, what they are thinking and what is motivating such a heinous act? >> we don't really know what's motivating the individuals until we get a little bit more information, so, what we do know is that this does and doesn't fit some of the existing patterns of chechen terrorism. it doesn't fit that the targets were american. most off than not, chechen terrorists go after russian state or russian officials. so, that's what makes it unusual. but what makes it consistent with chechen terrorism is the use of brothers or the use of siblings. this is something that the chechens do and they do it often. >> and in terms of a network, the potential of accomplices and a network in chechnya, what's your vibe in terms of how big this could be? >> there's actually, again, i apologize, i have to tell you, there's no way of knowing until we get more information. because it's such an unusual attack,
and often sleeping in. the tsarnaev family is part of the chechen community here. like many other chechens displaced from their homeland. after the second world war, tens of thousands of chechens perished in a mass deportation order by josef stalin. in the 1990s, chechens fought and won a bloody war for independence from russia. it was during this violence that the younger tsarnaev brother dzhokhar was born and given the name of a chechen leader. >> it's a sure side of chechen patriotism in the family that in 1939 they called their little son dzhokhar after dzhokhar dudayev who was the pro-independence representative. >> chechen independence wouldn't last. the war would kill thousands and chechen extremists would wage a campaign of terror across russia, killing 186 children at a school in beslan and more than 100 theater-goers in moscow. the tsarnaev family escaped the violence in the region by making their way to the u.s. >> he would tell me that he was from chechen. >> luis vasquez was friends with tamerlan in high school. >> that's where he's from. that's where he told me he had struggl
agreed to join forces on agreed to join counterterrorism. specifically against chechen terrorist doku umarov and his al-qaeda affiliated caucasus emrit. umarov's casualty business emrit is in a region between the caspian and black seas that includes the russian republic of dagestan. after this agreement was reached, russian intelligence then asked the fbi to investigate tamerlan tsarnaev, the elder of two brothers charged with carrying out the boston marathon bombings that killed three people. two americans and a chinese national and wounded 260 on april the 15th. tamerlan was age 26 when he was shot and killed four days after the marathon by police in watertown, massachusetts, where he and his brother dzhokhar, age 19, had sought refuge. okay. back to russia's request in 2011. the fbi fulfilled the russian request and interviewed tamerlan and found nothing suspicious. but the russians were not satisfied with the fbi nothing suspicious report so the russians then asked the cia to look into tamerlan's background, especially any links to radical islam. so the cia added tamerlan's name
, thanks for joining us, you were the moscow bureau chief for four years and covered the second chechen war. a lot of folks in america are hearing the word chechnya for the first time and don't understand the dynamics between chechnya, russia and the united states. can you give us a little primer about the sort of tumult in the region? >> it's a good question. we're learning a lot today, a lot of americans haven't focused on what has been chilling situation for many russians for a lot of years in the mid 1990s, chechnya tried to break away from russia as emerging from the soviet union. russian forces went in to try to keep them. two wars ensued, lots of death and terrorism resulted. when i was in moscow, chechen terrorists took over a theater filled with hundreds and hundreds of theatergoers. 130 died. i was in beslan, a small school in southern russia that got taken over by chechen terrorists, hundreds of children and their teachers died. so for a lot of russians, what we're seeing in the reports from boston, brings back a lot of chilling memories to them. we don't know the connections bet
to chechen terrorism. he was killed following a shootout with police early friday morning in boston. cnn's latest reporting shows 57 victims remain hospitalized as a result of the boston bombings including three in critical condition. joining me now is massachusetts senator, william his friends call him mo cowan. thank you, senator, for being with us out of boston. i want to is you what you know about the status of the investigation. has anything new turned up? >> well, good morning, candy. thanks for having me here. and before i respond i want to take this opportunity to once again thank all the first responders who came to the scene on monday and all the investigative personnel who spent all week working hard to identify and capture the suspects we believe to be responsible for this heinous crime committed on marathon monday. in terms of the investigation itself, there's not much new to report beyond what we are hearing. the investigation continues obviously as to the whys and hows of the circumstance. the second offender who was in the hospital is not yet able to communicate. that's t
they have help? were they planning more attacks and was their chechen ethnicity important? joining me now is david remnick, he is editor of the "new yorker" magazine which has a full coverage here called "the marathon bombing: tragedy in boston, a place in history" of george parker. "the culprits" by david remnick and the street scene by seth manukin. welcome. >> thank you. >> rose: here's what you say. "the sense of bland unknowingness, he seemed so nice began to evaporate the closer we got to the tsarnaev brothers." >> always in these tragedies, murder stories, terrorist stories, you have the initial quotes from -- "he seemed so quiet, he seemed so nice, i just saw him the other day." >>. >> rose: with his dog. >> and all that kind of stuff. but because of social media that evaporated quickly and you immediately started to get youtube pages for the older brother. you got a twitter feed from the younger brother. you got all kinds of -- his amazon favorite list and suddenly a picture begins to form of especially older brother becoming increasingly interested in jihadi politics. in some fo
night in the shootout because if there are links to chechen rebels and islamic extremes as beee insinuated by a lot of law enforcement officials who note the ties to chep chen rebels them -- chep chen rebels them because it would be a crucial link and address any of those concerns. that begs the next question, here, eric are and i know you can't possibly be inside the mind of authorities on the sceee here that these explosions, if they're not coming directly from the police, it would lead one to believe that the younger brother, like the older brother not only armed to the teeth or boobpy trapped himself or near booby-trapped type devices if you get too close you will hear a lot of explosions. >> that could be possible. they said they found explosive devices and another unexploded pressure cooker today in cambridge where they searched his house where he lived. you have to remember he is in the car chase. he is on foot. he had the presence of mind, neil, right after the gunfight last night to go to the bank of america atm machine, get his card and he got cash. he got money accord
is it really that clear? >> russia for the longest time has been trying to get us to take the chechen rebels more seriously. i there when the chechen rebels killed so many children and there in the red square and i met with the foreign minister and several police officials discussing other security things. everyone told me, you go back to take president bush more seriously. they are dangerous. they are animals . they for years have had the sense that we don't take them seriously . for years we've had a sense that the russians are too cruel and they created some of their own problems and the russians say that's what they say about you, too. >> right. >> this is infuriating the chechen rebels website blocks and the chatter we are getting from them is that are pist . they are talking about exact being revenge. >> it is interesting, the main chechen group made it clear they are separated from this. >> it is it the same group behind bes lanand the theater . they are the ones talking out. >> i thought charles craught krathammer. had the best. divide them in national groups and religious groups. th
to door, and it is possible, they believe, that this 19-year-old chechen could be holding somebody hostage or could be on the move and trying to, you know, find a location where he feels like he could hide out for a long period of time. i mean, this is a very fluid situation. we really, realistically, are operating in a news vacuum. the law enforcement officials have held a couple of briefings this afternoon, where, essentially, they use the media to communicate with local citizens around here, telling them to stay indoors. they told employees who went to work this morning, you know, go home. don't stay overnight in the office. get in your car and go home if you can. find a way. because the transit system is down today. taxis are working right now. so they've been using the media to get to the employees. but they have answered no questions and we are left to our own devices as we watch the ebb and flow of the humvees, the convoys, the blackhawk helicopters, the bomb squads, the ambulances that all make their way through this area, this bedroom community of watertown, massachusetts, we're t
in chechnya in the 1990s. as the province sought in dependence from russia, many chechens fled. it is now a hotbed of radical islamic activity. there are reports that chechens fighting in afghanistan against the united states and nato troops. al qaeda has made recruitment of chechens a priority. the appearance of chechens outside the northern caucuses is ominous. the original uprising against russia was secular and nationalist area did within this context -- nationalist. there will be no motive to attack the united states, especially after we had given them sanctuary. in the worldview of some chechens, there is been obviously some worldview radicalize as was the case of the two boston terrorists, who have turned from young people being raised here into a jihadist mentality of global war against infidels, which includes us. is this happening on a regional basis? this radicalization we saw with these two young men? why is it happening? what outside forces sought to transform the northern caucuses and central asia into a region of muslim extremism, which did not exist before? in particular,
believe the brothers are believed to be chechen. jokar, in the white hat, believed to be on the loose, armed and very dangerous, he is 19 years old. we're told from authorities he and his brother have been in the country for more than a year. federal authorities are looking into whether they were trained militarily. they are believed to have been trained militarily overseas. americans may be wondering why chechens may be involved in terrorist acts against the united states. we know chechens left chechnya. it is a muslim republic similar to afghanistan in feel and nature and many chechens go to fight in afghanistan. it is likely these chechens, young as they are, may have gone to either pakistan or afghanistan for training as part of a larger foreign terrorist network. we have seen chechens involved in that in the past. again, mike levine reporting tonight from his sources at -- federal law enforcement sources these two suspects that we received the pictures of from the f.b.i. earlier today are chechen. one of them, their names, the one on the loose right now jokar saranev. we understa
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out in his businesses around town and often sleeping in. >> the tsarnaev family is part of the chechen community here, like many other chechens, displaced from their homeland. after the second world war, tens of thousands of chechens perished. in the 1990s, chechens fought and won a bloody war for independence from russia. it was during this violence that the younger tsarnaev brother, dzhokhar, was born and given the name of a chechen leader. >> it's a sure sign of chechen patriotism in the family that in 1993, they called that little son, dzhokhar, after the pro-independence president. chechen extremists would kill 186 children and more than a hundred in moscow. luis vasqued was friends with tamerlan in high school. >> that's where he's from. he didn't really elaborate. >> there's a whole family of chechens you grew up with with families being displaced and killed and so on. >> thomas has studied and written about the region. >> for 340es people, that's a tragedy. but for a small minority, it's something in their dna that drives them. >> and like many displaced chechens, tamerlan may
type of media attention for the cause of the chechen people and their conflict with russia. and as timothy mcveigh told us after oklahoma city, when we said, but look at all the people who died and were injured, and of course, mcveigh said, collateral damage. and these individuals are the ones surviving may well say the same thing to us. >> clint, bill griffeth here in watertown. this tomorrow, radicalization, what in the world can you say to a young man to get him to commit such a horrific act that is so out of character from his life to this point? what is it that you tell that person that radicalizes them? >> well, part of it is going to be his older brother. realize, his father was not a figure in his life. his older brother was the senior person. when you look at the pictures, the videos that we've seen in the last two days, of these guys walking through the crowd at the marathon, placing the bombs. you see the older, bigger brother. he takes the dominant, the senior, the lead role and the younger brother follows dutifully. we may well find that psychologically, too, w
themselves." the brothers are ethnically chechen. but the family left chechnya before one of the brothers was even born, and his father said that he was sure they had been framed. discovering if there's a link to an outside group as a top priority. a former official of the fbi and cia told me. haveere are things that we not found in termspele. 'check thr mail, their phone, the money. are there people they have touched who might have been an active part of the conspiracy or a passive part and in contact with others? >> investigators want to know if this was a homegrown attack by two disaffected american residents, or if there is disaffection from elsewhere. it is all about finding the final fugitive. >> so far, there are more questions than answers. we can look at the motives, but we just do not know. let's go to boston. my colleague laura trevelyan is there. boston is on lockdown. if must be very eery. >> yes, the police here in watertown are still going house by house, door by door. they completed 60%, 70% of their search. they also tell us they have received significant lead, which they
that again and again and again. at this point, we have no idea. you can think of some chechen-related violence. there has been this sort of thing. the bombs on the subways. this sort of mass crowd, surprise terror. that's the message that had been used. but, you know, i say that only in the context that they were originally from chechnya. at this point, we just don't know. >> i moon, whean, what we heard people, you're making a great point, you heard from the people that knew them, they were fully americanized. grateful to be here, said someone that knew them very well. loved being here. the older brother was trying to compete for the country as a boxer. this is indications of somebody who is just like all the other ethnic people in this country. they come here and make america their own. >> there's reason to assimilate. >>> there's two things that have been said that sort of stood out as red flags. the older brother saying that he had no friends and didn't understand americans. and the younger brother who said he had a conversation with friends about terrorism and said if the
movement right now? >> it's hard no know if the groups were directly motivated by the chechen separatist movement. they were part, or appear to be inspired by more of an al qaeda affiliate mentality. that's according to some of the internet websites that they were looking at and the tweets that would have been put out. so it's possible that they were inspired by the war in afghanistan. it's possible that they were inspired by what happened in iraq. the -- we don't tknow exactly what the motivation might have been. if you listen to the radio chatter when you're in afghanistan, sometimes you hear arabic, sometimes you hear chechen dialects that are being spoken. so there are chechens who are involved in a variety of fights around the world. and at this stage, according to intelligence officials i've spoken to, we don't know exactly what part of the world conflict motivated them, or how high up it went. were these guys lone wolves? self-inspired? did they have a little bit of help from an organization? at this stage we don't really know because the older brother who is the one presumably in
, tsarnaev family. you put a shame on the entire chechen ethnicity. >> boston is paralyzed today. basically all of mass transit shut down. residents across the city told, stay holm. there's no telling how long this lockdown could last. >> there are continuing developments in the investigation. which we will be able to talk about. not now but later. it is important that folks remain indoors and not open the door. keep the doors locked and not open the door unless there is a uniform identified law enforcement officer on the other side of it. >> part of that process included controlled explosions. police say it was done merely out an abundance of caution. authorities hoping for some evidence as to dzhokhar's whereabouts. nbc news national investigative correspondent michael issakof is on the ground. >> we've been promised a briefing for several hours now that was going to give us an update on where things stood. clearly, it's a fluid situation. the last one we got just about an hour and a half ago was there have been some new leads authorities were pursuing. what that meant we do not know. cle
and the chechen events that led him to do this -- >> your prosecutor hat on. you were a prosecutor many years. would you do a deal to save this guy's life? >> me, personally? no. if he did this, he deserves the death penalty. but that's a consideration in terms of jury appeal. you know, in sm jurisdictions, it's hard to get a jury to convict someone who will be executed. that's a factor, too. can we win the case? >> but what about in exchange for life instead of death, you would say, all right, have you to tell me all the people who were involved in this, who recruited you, who radicalizedue you, who was an accomplice in teaching you to construct these pressure-cooker bombs? >> exactly. i wouldn't give him a free pass. if i give him a plea for life in prison without the death penalty, i want him to earn t. i want to know everybody involved, where they got this materials, every aspect of the case, i want to know. otherwise, no deal. >> you would want it first, also to consult with the family who is loses lost their lives and the victims. >> that's a major aspect. you want to consult with them >> well, two young chechen men, accused of terrorist acts in boston. 26-year-old tamerian tsarnaev... 19-year-old dzhokhar tsarnaev, his brother, coming to america as children from the northern caucuses in rushia, living in the u.s. for years, as long as a decade. studying in our schools... only we can presume to become radicalized at a point, we do not know yet, allegedly striking back at the same country they had as a second home. >> we were not that concerned about the chechen community. i have been getting top-secret briefings almost 9 years. vinever heard threats from the chechen community. >> that was a very interesting point that the congressman made. in fact, i just got an email from someone in afghanistan, major general jim mcconville, who is there with our troops. we know historically, the chechens have had activity in afghanistan. but there doesn't seem to be any evidence of any threats on our soil here in the united states, from the chechens. this would be something new. and the question we will have to learn, as they review everything, including all the activities of these t
episodically when they succeed like boston. >> warns us of a chechen in this country, goes over to that part of the world, and he gets through the screen. how many cases are there like that? >> that's irrelevant. the russians call you. somebody's neighbor calls you. somebody's mom calls you. you get an intercept from europe. you're dealing with dozens of cases every day and thousands of individuals and got to figure -- >> so the watch list is very long. clint, last thought. your thought about that. how do you put it all together? we're still trying to figure out what lee harvey oswald was doing in canada. in this case, how do you put it together? the russians knew something was up, warned us something was up and accepted them back into his country. he comes back here again and gets through it all. the older brother. >> realize the fbi reached out to russia and said, hey, can you give us a little background? what else is going on with this guy? what do we get back? nada. the russians owe us something. putin is trying to get ready for the olympics. if he is looking for u.s. help, he needs to h
, because people are asking if this is a chechen connection and wrapped into the north separatist movements and has perpetrated attacks. we had an airport bombing in 2011 and before that an attack on the subway system and then going way back, of course, the horrific school attack where 380 people died. the difficult part is to draw a connection between these brothers and current terrorist cells that are still fighting the separatist chechen cause and that's what we are trying to find out from russian officials here. we know that president putin has expressed his condolences but these brothers did not register themselves in the united states. the russian authorities in the united states have no record over the last decade of them being present in the united states. so as far as they were concerned, these were not people that they had any particular interest in. the russian authorities have pledged their support for investigations that are going on currently. so whether at this moment there is some intelligence sharing and that is maybe uncover some connections, that's speculation at this sta
. chechen fighters have ended up in places like iraq and syria it's tooing alongside rebels there. but the idea of attacking foreigners, attacking americans, for a chechen cause, if that is indeed what these men were trying to do, is very unusual. that's never happened before. they have confined most of their terror attacks to russia. their animus is against russians. they don't have any particular animus against -- the chechens don't have a particular animus against the united states. so these guys are definitely outliers even for chechnya. >> take a listen to the uncle of the tsarnaev brothers, this is ruslan sarni, from maryland, tracked down by the media, and here's what he said about the events of this awful day. >> he put a shame on our family, tsarnaev family. he put a shame on the entire chechen ethnicity. because everyone now names the play with word chechen. so they put that shame on the entire ethnicity. i say, dzhokhar, if you're alive, turn yourself in and ask for forgiveness from the victims, from the injured and from those who left, ask forgive misfrom these people.
by somebody he knows. and that is the largest chechen commune any the united states. a lot more than three possibilities. >> or an accomplice that is housing him or given him a car or the means, any kind of means to leave the area. there's a myriad of possibilities. >> one of the great statistics you brought us earlier in the day was the percentage of the area the police say they had covered and that's got to be an important number, if they do give an update on that in this briefing. >> well, you would think so, and i've got to believe that it's going to be a lot more than that. as of midday, they said about 60% of the area that they wanted to cover they had covered. and we watched -- i mean, they seem tireless. they're going from neighborhood to neighborhood to neighborhood. >> is there any talk, do you think that law enforcement officials are at a point where they would lift the shut-in order? >> well, i have no way of knowing. i mean, we'll see. i think that they would like to lift the shut-in order, but that would -- if they lift the shut-in order and they don't have him, that suggests
belief that this is related to chechen independence or more anti-american message from an islamic-funded group, perhaps? what do you think the motive could lead to? the motive is the practice and terrorism practitioners are frustrated by not having the moat of. the individuals took the time to have these devices and no claim of responsibility. they've been here for a long time and it sounds like more than ten years and the radicalization to some degree happened in the boston area and who underpinned that and who influenced them, did they travel overseas and these were some of the questions that they would need to have explored in the next 48 hours. >> things that surprised you as you woke up this morning and things that did not surprise you? >> frankly, the fact that they attempted a robbery as we're hearing seems like such a blatant way to expose themselves to law enforcement intelligence. if they are so stealthy that they can hide out for the first, two, three days after the attack. they have to assume that this would expose them to law enforcement or it seems like that may be w
be an opportunity to say look you don't like the chechens? is there anyway we can work together to deal with international terrorism. you may not have been worried about them before this, but you have just as much of a problem with all of the countries on your periphery that are potentially becoming radical islamic states of the -- states. is there a way to work together maybe on this one thing and then it can lead to cooperation on other things? ultimately we would love their cooperation on iran and the nuclear program, but maybe we can take these baby steps to say let's start sharing intelligence. how do you see this threat evolving? maybe we can work on that. >> do you think it was the russians that two years ago tipped off the fbi that lead them to interview literally the older 26-year-old brother? >> maybe. maybe there was kazakstan. there were a lot of other countries where this family has moved around to in central asia. they were in russia in the chechnya part of russian. russia. there are suggestions they may have been in another country. kazakstan is a successful, oil rich cou
-- over the last 22 years, chechens have formed a 40% coming from the russian federation even though they form less than 1% of the russian federation. you have real money coming in to build various kinds of things. i would argue there is still a chechen national movement that is committed to a secular and free chechnya. unfortunately, it gets very little attention in chechnya because it has been so unsuccessful. people are unsuccessful, and when pe ope to be their allies do not turn out to be, it is not surprising that they turn to other people. >> i cannot imagine if a number of western countries where people would be so committed to the national independence and they were so frustrated that they were not getting outside support, they would go to ally themselves with those who help them murder large numbers of children. this is not an excuse, them not getting support from the united states or from people who believe in democracy, it is no excuse to help people who are willing to murder targets. >> i was not -- i am just trying to provide an explanation, because it is absolutely true
they connected to a home-grown cell? were they connected to foreign operatives? we have never before seen chechen operatives going against the u.s. >> just think about the immediate situation. you know he's going to get the first couple guys coming for him. that's the danger. >> i would count on the sharpshooters. >> get him from a distance. let me go to jim cavanaugh. thank you for joining us, as always. atf agents involved going in with protective vests on already. we've seen something of the operation eye visible here. >> chris, i think probably what happened -- we don't know. we'll find out in the next half hour or so certainly -- but when the superintendent of state police lifted the order to stay in your house, all the residents came out of their house and naturally you're cooped up, may not want to walk to the grocery store but you're going to come out in your driveway, garage, and likely dzhokhar was laying somewhere in the bushes, in the weeds, behind the car, in the back of a pickup truck and he was spotted. so, you know, then the call went to 911 -- >> i see what you mean. >> we need t
, with the fbi. you've also interviewed a number of chechen terrorists in the process of your academic research. what did you learn about their motivation? what is their strongest and most consistent driver? >> well, martin, you're right. i did interview terrorists around the world, and we studied 112 of the suicide bombers from chechnya. that's how many there were. we did what we called psychological autopsies on half of them. that means we spoke to a family member and reconstruct what put them on the terrorist trajectory and what might have prevented them, or if they were still alive, how we could have gotten them back off of it. and we found in the chechen case, it was very trauma and revenge driven. almost everyone that had been a suicide bomber in the chechen conflict -- i shouldn't say almost -- all of them had lost a family member to the two wars of independence with russia. as you know, the russians were very heavy handed in those two conflicts. there was a lot of human rights violations. and things went terribly wrong there. it was a secular uprising to begin with. >> dr. speckhard, ho
, is there anything that this is driven by chechen relationship because of the original outlook said they were chechen, russian also speculation this had to do with the breakaway republic and the separatist movement. your thoughts? >> they were actually born elsewhere but the separatist movement is part of a larger g. todd movement you will see jihadist fight in syria or afghanistan or iraq and also non chechen jihadist to gain battleground experience i don't think they were chechen the videos did not focus on chechnya but the hot around the world with the middle east and asia and they need to displace the infidel to create hegemony by putting that with its clear agenda of the radical islamist. no doubt about it that is the agenda of the al qaeda and the muslim brotherhood except they don't use violence overtly to oppose their agenda. lou: their presence year we would see a very similar police presence. half this seems to be utterly credible police presence talking about one terrorist 19 years old who has carried out a terrible terrible crime against the american people. but is this response typical i
, he put a shame on the entire chechen ethnicity. >> reporter: late friday, still no capture. >> we do not have our suspect in afternoon, but we will have one. >> reporter: an hour later, officers have the suspect corners. >> they know exactly where he is. they have cordoned off a section of watertown. >> reporter: they are yelling loudly to somebody in the boat or near it, come out, and we just heard him say come out on your own terms and come out with your hands up. >> the tweet just came suspect in custody. >> reporter: and the streets erupted in celebration. >> two perpetrators that caused so much pain and anguish are no longer a threat to our safety and communities. >> we have closed an important chapter in this tragedy. >> reporter: indeed, john askan christine, that chapter has been closed, but still this is very much a tragedy at this city. at this hour, 58 people remean hospitalized from the attack, and three in kcritical conditio, and two are children and then the four precious lives lost, including the 8-year-old boy, and the chinese exchange student studying at boston unive
chechen terrorism would give them concern. it would not be coincidental that president putin spoke to president obama by phone yesterday to offer condolences over the terrorist attack. given tamerlan tsarnaev's extensive postings of jihaddist videos, it strikes some as peculiar that the f.b.i. just did not follow up. >> if the fssb, the russian internal security services told us that someone was involved with the chechens, that would, in my mind, necessitate significant coverage for a period of a sustained period of time. did that happen? this is going to be the question for the bureau. they're going to have to answer these things. >> and the mother of the two suspects told russian television on friday that her son was controlled by the f.b.i. for three to five years, quoting from her, they knew what my son was doing. they knew actions and on what sites the internet he was going, end quote. in a statement that extensively praises the f.b.i.'s handling the case, the house homeland security chairman mike mccall left open this window for further exploration of this. quote, in the comi
and with the russian army. you have extensive knowledge what chechen rebels wanted in this world. what did you learn? >> i think one of those chechen rebels changed during ten years of warfare. that an important point to make. this was not ordinary war. it was really a brutal war and war without rules. anyone who has walked the battlefield and seen entire villages obliterated or capital city once home to half a million people like rubble, it was like walking on the moon. understand this was a brutal war on both sides. it would be naive to think there is no connection between basically a generation of kitchen minimum being wiped out and this terror attack. on the flip side we have seen a series of terror strikes from the khich ens mainly in the beginning against russia. even against an elementary school, but we've seen a progression from russia and then over the years, kitchen rebels turning up in other locations, in iraq and afghanistan fighting against coalition forces and now against u.s. civilians here. a broadening of the targeted, something definitely worrisome we've seen from the chechen attac
of his final shootout with police. this picture shows a 19-year-old chechen immigrant injured on the ground as law enforcement officials surround him. he was take en by ambulance to e hospital. all across the city, cheering crowds. chanting usa, usa. what he and his brother are accused of doing is horrific. the suspects sho the to death a young m.i.t. policeman and people are paying tribute to the victims at a memorial. earlier president obama had this to say about the stunning turn of events. >> all in all it's been a tough week. but we've seen the character of our country once more and as president, i'm confident that we have the courage and resilience and spirit to overcome these challenges. and to go forward. as one nation under god, in indivisib indivisible. >> his stepson, robert duffy joins me on the phone. mr. duffy, thank you so much for joining me. what an extraordinary day for your familiar len a indeed the city of boston. tell me exactly what happened. >> first i'd just like to start by thanking everybody in law enforcement for doing an unbelievable job. i mean, ha
brothers. we know they are ethic chechens. we don't believe they ever lived in chechnya, is that right? >> that's right. they may have spent some time in chechnya, but one, they are part of a era with stallin during world war ii, made an anti-soviet dissocial area, sent them to eurasia where the two brothers grew up. they were are too young to fight in the first chechen war and the second chechen war in 2000. so at best an indirect exposure, hearsay, family memories, things like that. >> we know that tamerlan tsarnaev spent about six months in russia mainly in dagestan where his father is. we know extremists are involved in quite violent attacks against police and civilian targets. what can we read into what he may have experienced in dagestan? >> yeah, this is absolutely key, piers. while it is true that chechen insurgency ended, the violence move need dagestan and it is a place of great unrest. it is a mountainous society. it is muslim and the experience he had there would have absolutely drummed home for him the suffering of the chechen people as he would have received through famil
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